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needed to win over the new guy to get read on air. >> he's in with you now, alex. you took care of him. we appreciate that. he appreciates that, too. you know what starts right now? the thing that you've been waiting for, you've been waiting for this "morning joe" starts right now. >> i am going to keep fighting every single day, every single hour, every single minute, to turn this economy around and put people back to work, and renew the american dream, not just for your family, not just for all our families, but for future generations. that i can guarantee you. >> and good morning. very good to have you here. we're "morning joe" the day after labor day. >> yes. >> i guess this is our back-to-school. >> it is back to school. welcome back, everybody. 6:00 on the east coast. >> what did you do this summer? >> i worked. >> did you, really?
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>> yeah. >> yes. that's terrible. you got to follow my example a little bit more. richard haass, how are you doing? >> good morning. >> good to see you. mark halperin is here. mike barnicle is coming out. >> just the walker. >> you hear that? >> it's okay. >> you have a good -- >> i had a lovely labor day weekend. very relaxing. lots of time with the family, going on walks, playing tennis, it was awesome. >> that's awesome. same here we were up in maine for awhile. went to new hampshire and then boston. >> perfect weekend. that hurricane was amazing. i was so scared, weren't you? >> yeah, i tell you. >> bill karins, can we fire him? >> i have lived in florida and i've seen some really bad hurricanes -- >> until we find someone else? >> nicest weather ever in the northeast. >> there's nothing like a northeast hurricane, because there's a 73, cool, it's nice.
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>> bill is not here today because he's taking plywood off the windows of his house. >> he's scared in the corner. we have -- oh, good, there's the fill-in for bill karins until we find a permanent replacement. >> let's find somebody. >> nice to see you. >> we've got governor christy coming in today. and representative kendrick meek will join us. andrew ross sorkin, and eugene robinson, all coming up today on "morning joe." good lineup. >> we've got a very good lineup and a lot to get to. >> we'll start with the news. with the midterm elections fast approaching, president obama rolling out new finishives to boost the economy. and tomorrow in cleveland, the president will reportedly propose a permanent extension of tax credits for business owners to invest in research and development. also on the table a plan to allow companies to write off 100% of their investments in new plants and equipment through the end of next year. yesterday in milwaukee, the president announced a proposal to invest in new roads and railways.
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the $50 initiative is a six-year plan that would create a government-run bank to finance transportation projects. the white house says it would create jobs by improving and expanding $150,000 miles of the nation's roads, 4,000 miles of railways, and 150 miles of airport runways. although president obama says the plan will be fully paid for, and will not add to the deficit, republican leaders like john boehner say the proposal is just more reckless stimulus spending. and the president is also taking criticism from his liberal base. >> obama has had no vision. he has not articulated a philosophy. what is obama's philosophy of government? he wobbles between sounding kind of like a liberal that he says well the conservatives have some points, too, concedes the message, there's never been anything like what reagan did which is to say we've been on the wrong track, we're going to follow a very different that's going to change things. you need to support us in this.
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>> interesting. so that was one of several well-known liberal analysts who take a look at this situation. >> paul drugman. >> in great support of the president. >> well, he's still getting hammered by both sides. conservatives don't like that he spent too much. paul krugman and professional left don't like that he's not spent enough. i've got to say, though, the first couple of elements you talked about, my ears perked up and i said if i were the president, i would put out a new proposal every day like that. when you start talking, when we start talking about permanent tax breaks for research and development. we need that. that's a great idea. that's the sort of thing where you aggressively give tax breaks to companies that push r&d, that will actually grow this economy, and then dare the republicans to veto it. or to vote no on it. >> i agree with you with one exception. i think it's got to be comprehensive. if you want to have some
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stimulus, say the $50 billion in infrastructure, you have some tax breaks and one of the big questions will be whether the president will ever sign on to an extension of the bush tax cuts. will there also be medium and long-term spending reductions so we begin to reduce the deficit. i'm not sure romming this out piecemeal is the way to go. >> economically and politically we've got to fashion a package. >> i heard in my ear, while this was going on, mark halperin, a little late, we're in september, congress will be there for a couple of weeks. i'm just saying, forget the economics. politically, i wouldn't push stimulus spending right now. politically, i would have a different business tax break every day. i would send a bill up to the hill every day and force republicans to vote no every day on tax cuts from small businesses. >> i don't mean to sound cynical and i don't want to be part of the self-fulfilling prophesy but i think the american people are going to hear this not unlike the way the peanut characters
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heard their teachers talking. wah -- wah. >> why? >> these are political. these are good ideas. he should have proposed them awhile ago. it's only going to inflame and depress the left. they want to see giant stimulus spending. they don't want to see business tax breaks. it has no chance of passing and republicans are going to pounce on everything he announces as a political gimmick. again, my analysis, not my hope, not my projection, but my analysis is the american people are going to look at this as, what is in this for me today? >> we're hearing about this, mike, the day after labor day, as we hear projections that democrats are getting absolutely routed. i'm simply saying if you wake up this morning, and your summer vacation is over, and you've got to try to save the democratic house, and the senate, boy you've got to do something. and stimulus spending is not politically -- it may be economically for people on the far left, the thing to do, but right now politically is not the way to go. >> i keep wondering, what happened to this really, really smart young man who ran for
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president? where did he go? >> you're just thinking of a different barack obama. different guy. >> this is the clip that we just showed, the proposals that have been made over the weekend, and will be made further this week, more proposals, it's way too late. people are suffering from a fear of the future out there. not a fear of the moment. >> right. >> the business plans that he proposes right now, and will propose i guess later in the week in cleveland, if you're making out a business plan, if you're a corporation or you've got a small variety store you want to know the whole thing going in. you want to know everything going in. >> right. he hasn't done that. he's thrown it out in the middle of a campaign. this is going to further make more people think that politics is just not germane to their lives. >> mika, here is the bottom line. and you have people back and forth talking about barack obama, what he succeeded in doing. what he hasn't succeeded in doing. eve got polls that we're going to talk about coming up shortly
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about whether his economic plan has helped america, or hurt america. they're looking, the white house, vertically. at everything we've passed. we passed a stimulus package, good for us. we passed cap and trade, good for us. we passed health care reform, good for us. and they look vertically at every one of these things that they've passed. if you're a business owner and you've got tens of millions of dollars that are on the sideline, you're looking at the horizon. and you're saying, how does this altogether help my business? can i now pour the capital that i've been saving for a decade into the economy? >> what did health care do for me? >> right. and all, richard, all -- and i'm talking about on this show when i talk about people that are disappointed in barack obama, i'm not talking about republican ceos. because they were disappointed in him a year ago. but democratic ceos, liberal business owners, are saying the same thing as conservatives. which is, there's too much
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indecision. i don't know what washington's going to do. i'm keeping my money on the sidelines. saying, when that happens, no new jobs. >> you're exactly right. business deals with long time horizons. when you invest in a physical plan, train people, you need predictability, a degree of certainty. we need to foe what is our trade policy. you need to know what's taxation policy, what's regulatory policy. too much is up for grabs. that's the reason you're right, we're sitting on an enormous pot of money. businessmen are uncertain enough about what's going to be the environment so they can't predict what's their likely return on capital. in that situation, they're going to sit on their money. >> you talked to people like jack welch and jack will tell you, there's a lot of money sitting on the seedlines. people don't want to put it in the game, though, and then have washington chew it up. >> they want to make money, by the way. >> richard haass just pointed out an obvious reality.
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business big and small. you're in business to make a profit whether you're running a variety star in wall thumb, massachusetts, or whether you're running general electric. but you want to know what's going to happen, 12, 15, 24 months down the road in making out your business plan. right now, the uncertainty in washington, because it's a white house with no one who has ever sold a pair of shoes working in that white house, they have no idea whether they're going to switch gears on them in december. after the election. >> all right, let's look at these polls. a new nbc/"wall street journal" poll out just this morning shows a growing dissatisfaction with president obama's leadership. 49% of those surveyed said they disapprove of the job barack obama is doing as president. compared to 45% who gave him positive marks. among likely voters, the majority of 56% said they were unhappy with the president's performance. >> can we real quickly, mark halperin, will you explain to everybody the difference between all voters and likely voters,
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and which number you look at more? >> well, pollsters have to make a clever decision about how to screen, how to decide who is truly a likely voter. and if it's done well, this is one of the most striking things to me in the last set of polls we've had, including the ones out today, which is in every case, on every important number republicans are doing significantly better amongst likely voters than all voters. and that is a great measure of where we are right now. because it shows that if the people who are actually going to term who wins on election day, they are much more positive towards republicans than they are towards the democrats. >> and this morning, abz/"washington post" poll puts the disapproval of the president's job performance at 52%. when it comes to the president's handling of the economy, the top issue in the country, 56% of those polled said they disapprove, just 39% said they approve. >> that is, richard, a striking number. but if unemployment goes up, the
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numbers are worse, write? >> sure. but it's not going to. you've got official unemployment above 9.5%. you've got real unemployment almost twice that in this country, if you add in underemployment and the rest. these predictions, christine roamer and others made about unemployment coming down quickly, i don't think they are. most of the jobs that have been lost are not coming back. we don't have the education and training programs in place to get americans in a position where they can compete successfully globally. i actually think we face a situation where we are something of a new normal. of much higher unemployment, and as you've seen in the statistics the other day, the unemployment rates are directly linked, among other things, to education. people who have bachelor's degrees or more. their unemployment is quite low. it's in the 5%, plus or minus. people who have only a high school degree or less, their unemployment rates are three or four times that. we have got now a real education divide in this country which is leading to a permanent employment give identify. >> that is absolutely true. look at this next one, when asked how the president's
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policies have impacted the economy, the new abc/"washington post" poll say 33% believe it made it worse. 30% say the policies improved the economy and 36% said it had no effect. >> and, mike, it's so -- you get online, you hear these debates on prime-time cable shows. and you have people going, it's bush's fault. no, it's obama's fault. no, it's bush's. the fact of the matter is, we haven't had vision for some time on how to actually grow this economy from leaders in washington. i haven't heard barack obama with plans about how we actually grow, and i have heard nothing from republicans who say this is how we're going to expand. everybody's talking about juicing the economy. democrats say let's spend a lot of money to get people back into the malls. republicans are saying, let's cut a lot of taxes to get people back in the malls. we need to figure out how to get
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people back into the factories or back into the r&d labs, how to grow this economy. and i see no vision from either side. >> there's a massive opportunity with education, wouldn't you think? >> right. oh, yeah. >> we have to get to the point where we get people back to thinking that their children are going to do better in this country than they did. they're off the track on that. people think this might be like the end of a specific road for the united states of america. at least the people i talk to. it's kind of frightening. the obama administration, look, they came in with an awful lot on their plate. we all understand that. but he ran for the job, it's his job, it's his war, it's his economy, the problem now, one of his problems now, is that a lot of people look at what he's doing, they don't think it's enough, they're frustrated with politics, and they -- they spent all this time flaming this institution, that institution, financial services. this thing, that thing. education is the key in this country. that's has going to hope the
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door for blue collar workers and their kids who are getting laid off two or three times as high as bachelor's degrees. that's what's going to do it. we've got to fix the schools. stress the schools. >> and is there time? >> i don't know if there's time politically. but economically, this conversation, we've only had this conversation in american history 28, 29 times. we had this conversation in 1979, in 1980. i remember my teachers in high school telling me, the america that we knew was gone. we had, you know, that was, of course, the malaise years. we heard it again in '91 and '92 when george h.w. bush was running the country, bill clinton was running up new hampshire saying we're going to get you guys back into the factories. we have this conversation time and time again. and we find a way out of it, and we will this time, too, richard, but we need some leadership from washington. >> it shouldn't be too sanguine. churchill's comments that
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americans finally do the right thing only after they tried everything else. we just shouldn't assume because it's always been that way it will again. we have to make it so. >> churchill did say that. but you know what bismarck said. >> we have more polls to show you -- >> special providence protects fools, drunkards and the united states of america. i'm all three. bingo. >> oh, god. all right. more polls ahead that are pretty interesting. and i'd like to make a special request, front page story over the weekend on obesity in children in new york city. did you all see that? >> want a muffin? >> you know what, that broke over the weekend, we're going to skip it. >> i know. and i would like to cover it. >> we're moving forward. >> no, actually, it's important that we cover that story. and mayor bloomberg, this is where you've fallen short. we have to do something about that. >> is he not the greatest -- >> who are you talking about? >> george h.w. bush. i was switching subjects. >> you worked for him. >> i worked for him.
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>> we'll get into that story at half past the hour. >> very favorable. >> history will judge him very kindly. >> very, very favorably. >> all right. up next, why the top democratic -- >> that's a news flash. >> -- candidates -- >> voted for him twice, though. >> senator russ feingold noticeably missing from the president's visit this weekend. also her town hall exchange with congressman barney frank went viral on youtube. remember this? >> why do you support -- >> on what planet do you spend most of your time? >> all right. now, she is seeking revenge. he said talking to her was like talking to a dining room table. well, she's launching a political campaign. that story in a minute. >> the dining room table talks back. >> first let's go to weather channel meteorologist scott williams with the forecast. >> scott, finally somebody who's going to get it right.
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>> all right, thanks so much. i talked to bill the other day. he's fine, just taking a few days off. in the meantime our top weather story here. we are tracking tropical storm herm ien. continuing to lash the lone star state with heavy rainfall, power outages and a threat for some tornadoes. no airport delays right now, so quiet conditions. if you're flying out of the northeast. and look at this forecast. picture perfect temperatures topping out in the upper 80s to near 90 degrees. 87 in new york city. but bring the rain here in parts of texas. keep it here, you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. hey, did you ever finish last month's invoices?
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paris hilton was arrested for cocaine possession and may face felony charges. paris claims the cocaine was not hearse and when it fell out of her purse, she thought it was gum. well that sounds implausible until you realize that she's just the right amount of stupid to put gum up her nose. >> okay. 22 past the hour. let's take a look at the morning papers. start with the "washington examiner" the d.c. newspaper endorsed mayor adrian fenty saying there is a disconnect between what he has done and how he is perceived. >> the "usa today," the army's new trucks in afghanistan are reducing troop deaths in roadside attacks at a time when insurgent pommings are at record level. france chronicle, a month after leaving his job because of a scandal with a former reality show contestant, former hewlett-packard ceo mark hurd has joined oracle as their
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copresident. >> all right. and "the washington post," how do wisconsin races reflect trouble for democrats? some are accustomed to winning with ease, including senator russ feingold are unexpectedly in trouble. boy, that is fascinating. russ feingold is that one of these stories that we always hear in september and october but he ends up winning in the end? >> no, he could lose just on the one-on-one match-up, and if there's a national tie. >> really? >> that's strong. he will lose. >> really? >> he cannot survive a strong national tie. >> why is that? >> because it's an anti-democratic, anti-incumbent year, and wisconsin is not a blue -- a pure blue state. it's got a lot of purple in it. >> hasn't fine gold been an independent voice? on the war, ver independent. he's one of the few guys out there telling the truth on afghanistan. >> he has. he's got a history of being pretty hawkish on budget issues. bus this is not a great year to be an incumbent democrat in any state, even in a liberal state
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or progressive state like wisconsin. >> russ feingold is the top story in the politico playbook. joining us executive editor for politico, jim vandehei. >> and from wisconsin. >> and from wisconsin. >> my people. how you doing? >> so president obama went to this labor fest in milwaukee, and russ feingold also was there. but didn't stick around to meet with the president. >> well. >> was he dodging him? >> he says that he had an event already in jamesville that he had to go to. >> why is he dodging him? >> he did the same -- >> he couldn't rearrange his schedule. you know how that is. the president wants you to be there, sorry, i can't do it. obviously he wanted to be there, he could have done it. obama's not that popular in wisconsin. mark is right. if you look at wisconsin from afar you see two democratic senators, a democratic governor and you assume it's a very democratic state. in fact, it's not. it's always had sort of an exotic approach towards its candidates. it likes populist. it likes to shake things up.
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has a lot of conservatives, especially when you get outside of milwaukee and madison. and fine gold is in a very tough race, despite the fact as you were talking he's the kind of candidate you think that people like in this environment and that he stands up to the establishment. he goes his own way on budget matters. but it's an awful environment. we're seeing that in wisconsin. we're seeing it up in the obie race, one of the most powerful appropriators in the country, to get out of the race. we're seeing it in the governor's race, too. >> you know mark halperin, it is the midwest, and the southeast where republicans hang their highest hopes. there were a spate of polls that came out over the past week in country, rand paul double digit lead in ohio. double digit portlands. these are races that were tied at the beginning of august. >> starting to break out. there are very few outliars, very few places where democrats now are ahead in the competitive races that we're all watching, and either governor or senate and some of them, right now,
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have broken open. and the question is do democrats have the second act? they've got a lot of money in the bank. we're going to see big spending starting now and they're going to try to bring some of these races back closer together. but the national trends are against them. there are a lot of state polls in the last few weeks that show republicans and some of these really closely watched races breaking out. >> if we could do a little bit of halperin homage in the show's homage. halperin a couple weeks ago was talking about 60 seats being a possibility and a lot of people were e-mailing me saying that they think that mark's on drugs. in fact, he's not. now you have this gathering over the weekend with the politico scientists where you have a lot of politico scientists predicting 50 to 60-seat gains. you have stu rothenberg this morning one of the most famous handicappers upping his estimates, saying it could be 37 to 42 and 50-plus is very plausible now. there's something in the wind and it's clearly blowing very strongly in the republicans' favor right now. >> here's the great news for the democrats. >> yes. >> group think. >> what would that be? >> group think is settling in.
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>> right. >> sometimes the crowds are right. be careful. >> it's a good thing for democrats. >> yeah, when group think settles in, usually it goes the other way. but you never know what's going to happen in these things. in politics, harold mcmillan said, it's one of my favorite sayings, and it's true, in politics, a week is a lifetime. >> it could be. >> and we still have -- >> we can only hope. >> we have 65, 70 days to the election. >> terrific. jim vandehei, thanks. when we come back, a familiar face on youtube says she's ready to challenge congressman barney frank for his job. also ahead, new jersey governor chris christie, we'll be right back with more "morning joe." [ horns honking ]
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no oil has flowed into the gulf for weeks, but it's just the beginning of our work. i'm iris cross. bp has taken full responsibility for the clean up in the gulf and that includes keeping you informed. my job is to listen to the shrimpers and fishermen, hotel and restaurant workers and find ways to help. i was born in new orleans. my family still lives here. bp is gonna be here until the oil is gone and the people and businesses are back to normal... until we make this right. welcome back to "morning joe." >> look at the new york skyline. isn't that pretty? >> it's a beautiful shot. and we were just talking about hillary clinton. and she's going to be at the council tomorrow. >> tomorrow morning in
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washington she's giving a major speech. >> how is she doing as secretary of state? is she -- barack obama seems so self-contained. >> very good week. >> and he and mcdonough basically, we hear, run things. does hillary have significant impact? >> i thought it was interesting that when the middle east peace talks resume in about what, ten days or just over a week, she's going to be there. increasingly, now, i think she's going to get involved in some of the specifics. if you recall at the beginning, a lot were delegated out to this or shot special envoy and so forth. the fact she's going to jump in i take as a good sign and a sign that there's something to work with. to make positive predictions about the middle east is a fool's errand. but the fact that she's going to get involved to me is quite interesting and quite positive. >> we'll talk more about this next block. the groundwork they've laid for talks, which is interesting. iran says it has the right to ban some u.n. inspectors from monitoring its disputed nuclear program. the comments from iran's nuclear chief come after a report by the international atomic energy agency es preging alarm about
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the country's decision to vet inspectors. the report also indicated that additional sanctions imposed by the united states and other world powers have so far failed to force iran to comply with long-standing requests regarding its nuclear activities. congressman barney frank will be facing a familiar opponent in the massachusetts democratic primary later this month. his challenger is rachel brown, and she first gained attention during his heated debate at a health care town hall last year. >> why do you continue to support a policy -- express supported this policy? >> on what planet do you spend most of your time? you stand there with a picture of the president, defaced, and compare the effort to increase health care to the nazis. i don't have a -- i can't argue
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with the dining room table. i have no interest in doing it. >> okay, brown says that exchange inspired her to run against the 15-term democrat. congressman frank, not surprisingly is speaking out and he says this. i regard her as an example of the price you pay for free speech. i don't think she is very rational. >> let's go to sports. >> no! i have one more story. >> hurry up. it's sports time. >> excuse me, motor mouth. new data shows that new york city schoolchildren are as heavy, if not heavier, than the national average, and despite -- >> you're cutting into sports for his? mike, what's happening in sports? >> this is despite the bloomberg administration's effort to improve the health of city residents. this is a really, really important issue that we all need to address in this city. >> sports, sports, sports -- >> in "the new york times." in the 2009 school year, listen to this, two out of five children in kindergarten through eighth grade were found to be overweight or obese. they were broken down by zip
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codes -- >> how long does this story go? >> -- queens and harlem had the most severe problems. you know, it's actually really, really important especially in light of the endeavor that we have next week. upper west side has less obese children. >> well, that story was so long i'm hungry. >> there's a sports mention for that. >> new york city will win the tug-of-war now. >> for just once we bring up a story -- >> for once? >> yes. >> for once? this is all you talk about. >> they have to play more sports. >> yes, they do. >> college football up and running over the weekend. boise state taking on virginia tech. first quarter boise state, 17-0 lead. nice one in, in the back of the end zone. pretty good. there you go. >> wow, look at that. >> third quarter, virginia tech comes roaring back.
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tyrod taylor connects with boykin. he eludes tackle, takes it 28 yards for the touchdown. virginia tech goes up 27-26. fourth quarter, virginia is up by four, with time winding down. boise state's moore, 13-yard touch downpass, back in the end zone. boise state winds a child one 33-30. >> so they beat one acc team. and i don't care that they're number ten. are we going to have to hear about boise state now being in the running for the national championship? >> yes. >> because they played one mediocre game? >> yes. >> and it's ridiculous. >> and their schedule is pathetic. it's ridiculous. i'm glad they played virginia tech. play two or three good teams. >> next weekend they play like 15 ranch hands or something. >> i don't understand. why are you so fired up about this? >> well, because, because now i've got to hear people say for the rest of the year, who is boise state? >> who is saying that? >> you wait. you don't follow college
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football. it's every year. so now we're going to hear boise state. >> they've been disrespected, underrated. >> play some real teams like alabama this weekend. >> hey. >> you know what? vanderbilt. they lost. >> yeah. >> well. >> spent no time with them. >> baseball, in toronto, seventh inning, hoe toy batista fouls ball back into the stands. but, has eyes on it, hits the jackie robinson sign. knocks the "d" down into the crowd. the "b" hits a fan. he was okay. ends up with a nice souvenir. rough day for fans everywhere. the giants/diamondbacks game. fourth inning, swings, bat goes right off into the stands and hits a 13-year-old kid in the head. >> no. >> it's okay. he was taken out on a stretcher. thumbs up sign. he's okay. >> goodness gracious. >> he was all right. watch this. the kid, see?
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13 years old. he's fine. >> oh, knees. >> treated and released from the hospital. >> that's scary. >> pga tour deutsche bank fedexcup championship. tiger woods trying to make his case for a ryder cup berth that will be announced later today. 18th hole, woods, nice shot on the green, sets up a birdie. not bad. red shirt. final day of the tournament. tiger always does that? >> did he lose? >> yeah, he lost. >> okay. >> he tied for 11th. number two in the world, phil mickelson, 10th hole, misses that putt for a double bogey. he ends the day tied for 25th. the day belonged to this guy right here, nice tee shot on 11. par three. ball bounced over the hole. but he birdied 11 holes and finished 9 under 62. he's currently number two in the fedexcup standings. >> this is an awful lot of golf. this is an awful lot -- let's go
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to the leader board. >> there's only like two races left in baseball. >> right. >> and college football, they didn't play yesterday. the pros don't start until sunday. >> okay. >> well beef it up next week. >> you got any nfl stories? >> well, i have a randy moss story. but, a better one is chad ochocinco and terrell owens. they're teammates on the cincinnati bengals. they each have their own reality show to vh1. the unthinkable has happened, joe, the versus network is announcing that t.o. and ochocinco will be teaming up for the t-ocho show. it's going to be a taped talk show discussing sports and anything else they want to discuss. it's being billed as the first-ever weekly national talk show featuring active nfl players. >> what channel is that on? >> the versus network. >> what network? >> they carry the stanley cup. everybody watches that. >> exactly. so tell me, what's the randy moss story? >> randy moss is upset because
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they have shown no respect in trying to re-sign him for another two or three years. >> the patriot, huh? >> yeah. and bob craft, the owner of the patriot has given a wonderful, warm speech about cancer research last week at a breakfast and randy moss had his head set on while he was speaking listening to music. >> yeah. >> may i say something? >> well, i just was going to say, not if it's about obesity. randy moss, i -- but belichick really got him in line. he really made him play well. >> and don't forget, our bipartisan health challenge in washington is on september 16th. be there, be square. up next is the tea party snatching defeat from the hands of victory? why the tea party could be making things tougher than they need for the republicans in the delaware senate race. you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks.
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there is a real, i think, argument for the case that obama completely overread his mandate when he came in. he was elected to get rid of one man's job, george bush, and get the rest of us jobs. i think that was the core thing. by starting with health care and not making the first year the year of innovation, expanding income and expanding jobs, i think looking back, that was a political mistake. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it's great to be back. great to have you here. wonderful tuesday morning, and mike barnicle, when you had tom friedman in that trip, talking about the problems with president obama's leadership. paul krugman earlier, actually, you know, we kind of joke about krugman calling everybody stupid. he actually had a, i thought he had a good op-ed yesterday that wasn't hyper-partisan.
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talked actually about facts, numbers, history. talking about the parallels between 2010, and 1938. i'm not a big keynesian guy but it certainly made you think. we're sitting here stagnant. we've got to do something. >> got to do something. the president is trying, i think probably too little too late in an election cycle right now. six, seven weeks left until the election. i think people are looking at everything he proposes, saying is this more politics? it's -- you hear more and more people talking about the effort, the successful effort to pass health care that they had, and wondering why they didn't focus more on cost containment rather than the expansion of the health care system. you hear more and more people talking about, it does nothing about cost containment. >> and we went through months and months and months of that when people really cared about
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jobs. which, as we're going to look at some polls for the midterms coming up. the question is, can anything be done? i mean, could they do anything now politically to give people some sort of hope in terms of jobs? >> politically, i think it may be too late. richard, though, just made a good point about not only do nothing on cost containment, it actually took us in the opposite direction. >> it's the same pattern. we keep passing entitlements that have all sorts of ripple effects down the road and we say we'll figure out how to fund them later. we did it with the prescription drug benefit years ago. now we've done it with health care expansion. the bill is going to come due and essentially, i come from a foreign policy background, this is increasingly the greatest threat to american national security. it's going to be the solvency of our economy. >> it is. >> wow. >> and what makes this debate over our economy so surreal? for me, at least, is the fact that, i read a book in 2004 criticizing george w. bush's spending policies. and now barack obama, you lined it up, is spending more than
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george w. bush did. but, it's the same policies, you're right. the idea is, let's spend as much as we can, and pass it on to the next generation. and we have people saying that oh, george w. bush was too conservative. the fact is, that it was keynesian economics on crack. two wars, a $7 trillion drug benefit plan, record-breaking domestic spending. record-breaking foreign spending. but record-breaking pentagon spending, that was george w. bush. >> right. >> and now we go to barack obama, and we've got more of the same, pass it on to another generation. meanwhile, the professional left, and the far right are screaming at each other, saying it's bush's fault. no, it's obama's -- no. their policies, i guarantee you a generation from now will be seen as indistinguishable. >> well, and that's why --
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>> when it comes to fiscal policy. reckless. both of them reckless and this country is paying for it right now. >> absolutely. and voters are confused. front page "new york times" over the weekend, young democrats who voted for obama, switching affiliati affiliation, or just really -- >> to what? >> that's the question. >> and that is the stunning thing, mika. we hear republicans may pick up 55 seats. they've got a 26% approval rating. >> that's the question. >> lowest ever. so where do voters go? >> i ask you. >> they don't go. they stay home. >> if they're an independent. i don't know. but people are confused. and i think they're seeing what you see, which is we had it with bush. now we're having it with obama. it's the same thing. both parties. looking the same. >> and you have partisans on both sides screaming and yelling, oh, how could you compare obama to bush. how can you compare bush to obama? it's simple, really. you pass entitlements, you don't contain costs, you shove it on to a new generation.
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we borrow money from china. we finance wars that we can't afford. there's no end in sight. and so, that's why one of these days, a leader is going to step forward, and just tell the truth. this is a situation we're in. we're going bankrupt. we can't afford these entitlement programs that bush and obama passed. we can't afford these wars going on indefinitely. we're going broke. >> you have a political background. what do you think happens that day, a leader steps forward, ar would-be leader, says everything you just said and people may agree in principle, but then when they say okay, get specific, where would you cut? does that person survive politically? >> i don't know. that's what happens in new jersey. >> that person wins. i guarantee you that person wins. a person that says, here'ses deal with social security. if you're in your -- if you're 55 or older you're going to get your benefits. if you're under 5 retirement age is going up to 70. in >> in the short-term for me,
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assuming the midterms go the way they're going to is can that person still be barack obama? can he go in december and january in the state of the union and become that person? >> yes. >> we're going to have a deficit commission reporting december 1. he will have something to run with. >> barack obama is in no worse shape right now than ronald reagan was in 1982, or bill clinton was in 1996. >> he's in better shape than they were. >> he's in better shape than they were. so yes, he can reset. but he's got to be a leader. i keep hearing from his top aides, this guy really wants to be serious. but he doesn't sound really serious right now demagoguing social security. let's hope that he will reset like bill clinton and get serious. >> the midterms will be quite an ugly experience. still ahead, it's been said that money can't buy happiness. but a new study puts that myth to the test. and in a few minutes new jersey governor chris christie will be here. and full results of a new nbc news poll with chuck todd.
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all right here's a question for the group, can you put a price tag on happiness? researchers at one of the nation's -- >> can you put a price tag on happiness? >> i've already answered this, and my answer was absolutely. >> thank you. >> 1999. >> thank you. >> a lot more than that. research is one of the nation's top universities, say yes. same thing mika says, up to a certain amount, seems the lower a person's annual income falls below 75 grand the unhappier he or she feels. >> hmm. >> that's the finding of a new study by two princeton researcher, paul krugman is not one of them, which also shows when happiness gets better with higher incomes the effect levels out at $75,000. the researchers couldn't idea why $75,000 is the magic number but said it is quote, a plausible number, at which people would think money is not an issue. and here's a great clip to show
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you. what are you smiling at, mika? >> well, i'm just -- >> she's happy. >> she's happy because her msnbc contract, five years out, gets her above $75,000. >> hey, and because it was larry's birthday yesterday. >> that's right. >> let's move on. >> happy birthday, larry. >> now we want to show you from the uk hit show "the x factor," it's taken youtube by storm. it's received over 3 million hits since saturday. watch as this audition spirals out of control. ♪ ♪ heart and soul that's my goal ♪ >> basically at the end of the day we don't care what you guys say, we just came up here. at the end of the day, yes, we don't really care what you think. but she's just being a bit over the top. >> singing was not great, girls. >> why are you, may i ask?
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>> oh, my gosh. >> oh. >> mika does that to joe at least three or four times a day. >> that's different. he deserves it. >> coming up next, new jersey governor chris christie. >> he's looking good. >> this is great. we're just minutes away from the new nbc news/"wall street journal" polls. chuck todd has all those numbers coming right up.
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when it comes to just about everything we've done to strengthen our middle class, to rebuild our economy, almost every republican in congress says no. even on things we usually agree on, they say no. if i said the sky was blue, they'd say no. >> all right. welcome back to "morning joe." with us, mike barnicle. mike? >> yes. >> all right. we also have msnbc and "time" magazine senior political analyst, rob halperin. and here with us now, republican governor of new jersey, governor chris christie. >> this is big. >> i know. exciting. >> you were there at camp david. >> i was there at camp david during the 1979 summit. obviously there's talks under way right now, looking towards peace in the middle east. they're going to regroup every two weeks. they're kind of looking for a scene similar to what we saw in your great state last night,
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governor. take a look. >> watch this. >> you attack me. i attack you back. that's it. but am i trying to hurt you in a bad way? no. >> sorry. i'm sorry. >> faint. >> okay. >> i think -- you know. >> another result of the christie administration, bringing people together. "the real housewives of new jersey" are together, anything is possible. and snooki moved out. >> -- new jersey. >> and snooki moved out this weekend. they're out of the jersey shore house now. >> oh, my god. you know a little too much. >> new jersey is on the rise, baby. we're on the rise. >> you can fume igate the beach. >> the beaches are incredibly beautiful and classy. >> they are. >> that's the thing that jersey
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shore bothers me about. let's me get to a little news. with the midterm elections fast approaching president obama is rolling out new initiatives to boost the economy. tomorrow in cleveland, the president will reportedly propose a permanent extension of tax credits for business owners who invest in research and development. also on the table, a plan to allow companies to write off 100% of their investments in new plants and equipment through the end of next year. yesterday in milwaukee the president announced a proposal to invest in new roads and railways. but $50 billion initiative is a six-year plan that would create a government-run bank to finance transportation projects. the white house says it would create jobs by improving and expanding 150,000 miles of the nation's roads, 4,000 miles of railways, and 150 miles of airports -- >> a bank run by the federal government? what could possibly go wrong with that? >> well -- >> that is a brilliant idea. >> it wouldn't have to come forward to get bailed out. >> i think we can start there,
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and then we will create like banks that can help people get mortgages, because -- >> mm-hmm. >> we'll call it fannie and freddie, everybody will love it. okay, so let's go. let's talk about these ideas. >> yeah. >> i like the idea of giving tax breaks for research and development. and giving tax breaks for companies that buy new factory equipment. are those good ideas? >> listen, it's better than what's been done for before, for sure. i'm more of a fan of broader, general tax cuts to help the economy grow in general. >> that's not a bad start. >> no. like i said, it's better than the alternative, and what's been done over the last, you know, 18, 19 months. >> so what about $50 billion in infrastructure needs? that certainly -- >> in the first 787 billion. >> perhaps you should have been more aggressive. >> it seems -- >> would you like it now, though? >> you know, i don't think we can afford it now, i really don't. and so from my perspective that should have been done, if you
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were going to do the first:787 billion, which they did, you should have done much more of that and more tax cuts than the stuff that we did do. and i think we're showing how ineffective that was. >> okay. what else are we looking at? >> didn't that look like somewhat of a vision, a six-year plan. that's what we're looking for from this administration. something that we can bank on. didn't you see a vision there? >> well, yeah, i mean, but a little late mike barnicle. you were talking jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs in february of 2009 forward, these are the type of debates and discussion we should have had a year ago, year and a half ago. we're having them now. i think it's good, just a little late. >> the $7 7 billion, can you give us a handle in new jersey on how many cops, firefighters, teachers who might have been laid off had not some of that money been spent to retain them? >> the problem is all it did was delay it, mike, because for instance, it was over $1 billion in aid to k-12 education. well, you know, governor corzine spent that all in one year in
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2009, now last year, i had to cut $820 million from the education budget because there was an over billion dollar hole in that budget. and so that money was all just temporary. and so, all it did was delay the inevitable here in terms of what we have to do in confronting the growth of the public sector in a state like new jersey, because if we don't get that under control, that's why i'm looking into putting a reform agenda for the entire month, including pension reform, serious benefit reform. >> what are you going to do that? >> i'm going to get it out in the week. it's going to be serious reform for current employees and retirees. >> so at a dinner party on saturday night, and there's this republican consultant talking about the very sad field out there of republicans, but he brings up your name. >> gets excited. >> i get up excited and we start talking about you, and the only thing he said which leads to our next question is, wonder how he'll handle this situation with the race to the top money. which is his first pickup. >> well, yeah, arizona -- what a
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$400 million hiccup, and a lot of people on the left are saying that you screwed up the application process, you cost your state $400 million. brent shouldn'tlundler, fired, you lied to him. >> joe, it's always sad when this kind of thing happens because i like brett a lot. hired him to be the hsh commissioner. we agree on our vision for education reform. if trust breaks down between two people, especially you and a cabinet member -- >> how did he -- >> i was given information about what occurred at that hearing by the commissioner and in fact the video proves it didn't occur. so once crust is broken down, there were a number of incidents that happened over the course of the last number of months and this was really just the final straw. >> so he screwed up the application? >> well he's admitted that. he's the whoun actually deleted information in his own hand out
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of the application that cost us five points and we lost by three points. >> but ultimately, do you take responsibility for the money being lost? >> of course. >> because didn't you speak too soon? didn't you think that all the -- you know, "is" had been dotted? >> first of all, right in the beginning, i said it's my responsibility. happened in my administration on my watch. what i said was that, some of the ideas of how the administration administered this was just crazy. i mean, you had people sitting at a hearing giving information. they said certain information was missing. you weren't allowed to find that information and give it to them. so it seemed to me it was form over substance. that's what i was saying that day. listen, at the end of the day, anything that happens on my watch is my responsibility. i took action, that's all i needed to take thereafter to correct the problem and we have to move on. we can't sit and dwell. >> go back to the present and ask you a couple questions about him. is the country right now on the right track or the wrong track? >> the country is not on the right track, no. >> is president -- you disapprove, i assume of the job
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the president's doing? >> not everything that the president's doing is bad in >> what's he doing? what's he doing most poorly having an effect on the theme new jersey? >> listen, we're just continuing to spend too much and tax too much and borrow too much. and over the long haul, that's what new jersey did over the last ten years. we were kind of a precurser to what's happening in the country. and you can see that our economy hurt more in our region than any other state in our region. you can't continue to grow the public sector. >> given that we're two months away from the midterms, is there anything washington can do to help your state and the states around the country with the economy this year? is there anything that can be done? >> no. nothing. i mean, i don't think -- in two months? in the next two months? no, i don't think so. >> but, not necessarily that would take effect before the midterms, but is there anything you'd like to see happen in the next two months for down the road? >> assure businesses they're not going to raise taxes. assure business you're not going to raise taxes. you know, the reason i think all this capital is sitting on the sidelines is the uncertainty of
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what's going to happen in the business environment. so they're waiting to see what happens. well, we can't white a whole lot longer. all the capital is sitting there. that could be put to work to put people back to work and it's not because business doesn't know how much is the health care plan going to really cost? are they going to raise taxes in other areas? those are the things that i sense in talking to business people of new jersey, they have this sort of, you know, real sense of uncertainty, so they're going to back off and wait to see what the real costs are going to be to employ a person. >> we all hear the same thing. uncertainty. you talk to any business owner, doesn't matter what their ideology is, if they're job is to make money for their company or their small business and to hire people, and grow the economy, nay always say, it's the uncertainty of what's going on in washington, d.c. right now that's stopping me from hiring, and making new investments in my company. >> yeah, we were talking about last hour, and i was talking to a couple of people, one in big business, one with a medium-sietzed business over the past few days, and they were both saying, you know, they're
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going to lay these things out over the next six or seven weeks as part of a political campaign, no one's going to buy it. if you're putting together a business plan, you want to know everything. right there. right then. they can't understand why, instead of last week understand with the president giving a speech in the oval office about the war in iraq coming to a wind-down, why he doesn't go to wall street, one of his favorite expressions is let me be perfectly clear. let's be clear about this, and stand up there and say, okay, here's five points. one, two, three, four and five. here's where we're going. here's the direction we're headed in. what the governor was speaking to. people are uncertain about the direction. the direction you're taking, the state of new jersey, you've already had an encounter with the teachers union. you're not a, thanks dad, guy. you didn't fall into a lot of money growing up. >> nope. >> do you worry in the coming pension retirement reforms that you're going to address, i guess in about a week, about class warfare?
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about people resenting public employees to the extent that this -- there's a warfare? >> listen, i think it's the way you approach it. i think what we all need to acknowledge is that we have a system that we can't afford. in new jersey right now, best-case scenario, our pension system is $46 billion under water. best-case scenario. and if we do nothing between now and 2026, except have the state make their payments, we'll be $85 billion under water. everyone knows that's an unsustainable system. what i say to public sector unions are, you may not like me right now, but if we do what we need to do, in five years you're going to love me because i'm going to be guy who saved your pension. but if we continue to go down the path and we stick our head in the sand, it's over. these things are going to go belly up. and new jersey is a precursor, again, because our excesses have been greater than almost every other state. so other states look at us, this
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is what's coming down the pike at you. it's what we're dealing with right now, and that's why we're trying to do this very aggressively and will. >> you look at california, you look at new jersey, and then you listen to what people like paul krugman says, who says we need more deficit spending, higher taxes, a bigger deficits, they don't matter. you look what has happened in new jersey over the past decade. look at what's happened in california. the promised land for big spending. the economy collapses, you have debt, and face an economic crisis that requires a type of dramatic leadership that we have. and that is where america is going right now if we don't wake up. >> well, you get a sense of what people are thinking, we can bring now these brand-new nbc/"wall street journal" polls, these results out just moments ago. and look at these numbers. the majority of americans polled, 61%, say the country is on the wrong track compared to just 30% who say that the u.s. is headed in the right direction.
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among likely voters, even more, 65%, said america is headed in the wrong direction. these numbers just out moments ago, and mirroring what the governor had said, when asked about their personal feelings toward president obama, 46% gave him positive marks, compared to 41% who viewed him negatively. among likely voters, a higher number, 49% gave him a negative rating. when asked whether they would vote for the republican or the democrat in the congressional election, americans were split. 43 to 43%. however, 49% of likely voters said they would vote for the republican, 40% said the democrat. and 71% of americans polled said they disapprove of the job congress is doing, compared to 21% who approve. 21%. >> who are these 21%? let's bring in chuck todd right now. chuck, i don't see any good news for the president. likely voters, especially, paint
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a very bleak picture for him. what is your take away with this new nbc/"wall street journal" poll? >> well, look, it sets the stage. when you just look at the numbers, we could just focus on one poll question and look at it from the prism of 1994, 2006, and today. and that is right direction, wrong track. 61% among likely voters, 65% said wrong track. that number, joe, is higher at this point in time than it was in 2006, and than it was in 1994. >> you're kidding me? >> and basically, that's when a wave -- you know, wave elections, the one constant in wave elections, whether in a presidential year or nonpresidential year is that right direction, wrong track, whether it's nationally or governor christie can attest to this, because i remember seeing those same numbers in new jersey, direction of this state, when you have dramatic, 30, 40-point differences negative to positive, that's when the party out of power makes huge gains. right now, that's why, joe, you're hearing these numbers. which on paper, when you go race
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by race, you say there's no way republicans can pick up 50, 60 seats. but these numbers translate to that. and guess what? in wave elections, weird things do happen, and those last -- the reason they call them a wave is because some people get swept away that basically probably in the long run should not have but they were in, you know, running in the wrong year. >> chuck, stay with us. we're going to get to you on the other side of the break and break down all of these poll numbers. certainly right track, wrong track. >> let me give you a contrast, okay. in new jersey now, where we had those kind of numbers, as chuck pointed out, during the election last year, the last poll in new jersey right track, wrong track, is 42% right track, 46% wrong track. >> wow. >> all right, now that's a huge contrast to what you saw on the national numbers, and i really believe it's because folks think, even if they don't agree with everything we're trying to do, that we're trying to fix the problem. and we're talking to them like adults. we're saying we can't afford this pension system anymore. we can't afford free health
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benefits for public employees. we can't afford to continue to subsidize every public sector activity like we used to. i was on the boardwalk at the jersey shore last night with my family, and this guy came up to me and said to me, governor, he said, i hate almost everything you do. he said, but at least you're doing it. >> yeah. >> now, you know, i didn't know how to take that. he didn't punch me after that so i figured it was okay. >> that's an ad for re-election. >> that right track/wrong track number is a real contrast to the national one. at least what we're doing in new jersey. >> it's called leadership. >> yeah. tough choices. my daughters went to jersey shore last week. loved it. >> see? >> they had so much fun. >> it's beautiful. governor christie, thank you so much. i'll see you at my bipartisan health challenge. he has been recreated. >> ay-yi-yi. >> will you walk with me side by side? >> i walk with you every day, mika. every day. >> all right. more poll numbers and chuck todd when we come back.
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welcome back to "morning joe." beautiful sunrise over capitol hill. let's go back to washington and talk about the brand-new nbc/"wall street journal" poll that was just released moments ago, with chuck todd. chuck, let's go back to barack obama's numbers. let's start breaking these down a little more specifically. let's start with his approval rating among likely voters, and just among americans in general. what did you find? >> well, look, among all adults, it's not a great set of numbers, 45% approval, 49% disapprove. but look at it among likely voters. and we can get in to who is a likely voter in a few minutes. among likely voters, the electorate we think will go to the polls, at least if the election were held today, it is 41% approve, 56% disapprove. a dramatic number. >> wow. >> now, you look at that, and you would say, the quick answer,
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you would say, if you're a democrat, throw the president under the bus. but, here's the irony, and you remember this from '94. doesn't really work very easily for democrats to suddenly, you know, with 56 days to go disassociate themselves from the president. the irony here is that there is a slice of voters, basically the nonlikely voters, these are folks that are telling us they have very little interest in the upcoming election, well they're mostly young voters, minorities, african-americans, hispanics, they approve of the president's job with over70%. it was something like 72%. there's about 10% of the entire sample in our poll, about 10% of the country, and they have zero interest right now in this election. that's how the president can help. and when you start overlaying that on the house and senate, does it really help in any house seat, but you can change the margins in some senate races, and in california. perhaps in a wisconsin.
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perhaps in a place like illinois. >> washington state? >> where you somehow increased minority turnout and close the enthusiasm gap a little bit. you could make up some numbers. >> mark halperin. >> chuck, what happens next if as expected democrat ee eed dem candidates and leadership on capitol hill see these poll numbers. what do you think happens in terms of potential conflict between the white house and house and senate leadership? >> it's going to be interesting to see how publicly it's handled. privately for the last six weeks, they have been at each other's throats. the blame game, sitting there. i can tell you over the last two weeks, i'd get these private gripes from house and senate democrats going, why is the president talking about this? why is the president talking about that? why did he weigh in on this? why is he vacationing this long? why is he doing this? just sort of they're grumpy about their own poll numbers so they want to blame somebody else. then you have the white house going, what is it with these
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house democrats? why doesn't they get this done, get that done? so i think the infighting will go pub like a little bit. where there's going to be disagreement is on this issue of triage. the idea of throwing the weakest democrats, basically, throw them under the bus. don't try to save them, but go out and specifically target, say, save russ feingold, try to save patty murray, try to save barbara boxer. where there's going to be disagreement is a place like ohio. the white house wants to put a lot more effort in in ohio. ohio governor, ohio that. strickland, lee fisher. the other guys are sitting there going, hey, the numbers, they're not working, too expensive of a state, that money can be better served to shore up, say, a dick blumenthal in connecticut and make sure that thing doesn't slip away. >> and of course, this past weekend, mika, numbers starting pouring out ohio, double digit leads for kasich and portman in kentucky. double digit lead for rand paul. rand paul, i'm sorry, when the
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president at 34%, 35% approval rating in kentucky, rand paul is going to have to step on a lot more political land mines to lose that race. >> can i say -- >> and with ohio, too, just like chuck said, ohio breaking the way it is right now for kasich and portman, i don't know what the white house can do. >> two really smart things and disciplined things republicans are doing to help their case right now. one is they're seeing private poll numbers that are like these public numbers, in some cases even better but they're keeping expectations in check. they're not gloating about where things are. they're not losing focus. and they're staying disciplined on the message of too much spending, too much taxing. they're not getting distracted by some of the tea party issues unrelated to the economy, by social issues, by the mosque. they're focused on send a message to washington, put a check on obama in every race around the country. >> isn't that interesting, too? you talk about the mosque, which was really the fire-breathing issue of august. newt gingrich stepped out, you notice, newt pulled back very quickly.
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>> well. >> republicans across the country, for the most part, national leaders, mike, talking about economy, jobs, deficits. >> there you go. >> and you look at the right track/wrong track numbers, and it's -- >> this is the mosque. >> here's the mosque issue. but you know what? people say that on the way to the door, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, and flip that off. this is the issue is the economy. and chuck brought up, mike, right track/wrong track. and worse than it was in '94, worse than it was in 2006. this is the issue, as chuck said, that an american going into the voting booth may not like the republican party, but they've got one choice. do we keep going the way we're going? or do we go in a new direction? >> yeah, well, i mean you can just feel that. >> yeah. >> you can just feel that. my concern, if i worked for the president, if i were the president, chuck, would be that within these numbers everyone
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knows that a whole new wave of voters two years ago, people who have never voted before, went to the polls to vote for barack obama. are they lost within these numbers? will they ever get them back to voting? never mind voting for a democrat. >> right. well, look, i think that we knew, even when the president was popular, we saw this experiment play out in a georgia senate race. on election day barack obama's name was on the ballot, and a democratic senate candidate was able to hold the republican under 50%, saxby chambliss and force a runoff. well in the runoff five weeks later, barack obama's name was not on the ballot, and guess what? saxby chambliss won by double digits. the point is, i don't know if we can fairly assess this idea of the obama surge voters, and whether obama's lost touch with them or not until obama's name is actually on the ballot. until he's on the ballot in 2012. and i think that's the -- that's the problem democrats have. you know, we saw obama surge
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voters did not show up in virginia. virginia went back to looking for like the lean republican state that it was before 2008. during the 2009 election. and we didn't see these surge voters show up in new jersey, a supposed blue state, a democratic state. didn't see them show up in massachusetts in the senate race there. so i don't know why we think that they're going to show up now. but, if you're the white house, it's the only card you have. and it's the only place where if you get a vote out, it's a vote in your column, and you can close that gap a little bit and maybe save a senate seat. i think at the end of the day, this is about the white house, trying to save the senate. illinois, pennsylvania, washington, wisconsin, california, maybe colorado, there's your firewall, and connecticut, and that's going to be no matter how they decide, disaster versus non-disaster. >> so chuck, here's your assignment, we're going to see how good he is. >> okay. well he is good. >> we're going to see what he learned. see if he can move this quickly
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as -- miami hurricane wide receiver. >> okay. >> chuck. >> let's hope. >> what is the good news for the president? give us the best news out of nbc news/"wall street journal" poll for the president? >> i would say this, the fact that a majority approve of his handling of iraq. so -- and this was even done before his speech to the nation, so, getting the war, getting the combat troops out just sort of turning the page, however he wanted to describe it in his speech, that is resonating and that is something voters approve of. >> all right. >> do you agree or is there better news? >> listen, i mean the bottom line is, his poll numbers are better than ronald reagan's at this stage in '82. about the same as bill clinton's in 1994. >> his job approval hasn't collapsed. >> his job approval was in the high 40s, low 50s. for most of the spring. now it's in the mid 40s,
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considering real unemployment is at 15%. i'm sorry, that's pretty damn resilient. >> okay. you can catch chuck todd on msnbc "the daily rundown" on msnbc 9:00 eastern time. thank you, chuck. still ared, kendrick meeks, the democratic candidate in that tough florida senate race. we'll be right back with more. - lafayette, what're you doing? - ( music playing ) i'm not gonna lie. definitely not easy. hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... lafayette: just got to get through the day. how do you stop this? being used to doing something with a cigarette makes it hard doing it without one. but if i can re-learn to get through my workday without cigarettes, - man: easy. - i can re-learn anything without cigarettes. announcer: re-learn life without cigarettes, free, at becomeanex.org. a new way to think about quitting. ♪ ooh, ooh
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beautiful shot of new york city from the top of the rock. welcome back to "morning joe." 34 past the hour. this morning's "new york times" reports democrats are trying to stop a group of homeless people from running for office on the green party ticket in arizona. saying it's a dirty political trick by a republican operative. hmm. the republicans who recruited the drifter candidates, one of whom lists his campaign office as a local starbucks, freely admit they may pull support from democrats, but insist a real political movement is under way. arizona's democratic party, however, is calling foul and has filed a formal complaint. starbucks. it is your community hangout. general david petraeus, the top u.s. and nato commander in afghanistan, is warning that a florida church's threat to burn
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copies of the muslim holy book on september 11th could endanger u.s. troops in the country. in an interview with "the wall street journal", petraeus said this, quote, it could endanger the overall effort. it is precisely the kind of action the taliban uses and could cause significant problems. not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the islamic community. petraeus was responding to plans by the dove world outreach center to hold a burn a koran day on the anniversary of the september 11th attacks this saturday. last month on msnbc, the church's pastor talked about the reasons behind the planned demonstrations. >> well, we have declared september the 11th international burn a koran day. we want to send a very clear message to them, to muslims, that if they are in america, they are free here to worship, but they must honor and respect our constitution. we want to send a very clear message that we do not want
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sharia law and sharia courts. that is what our international burn a koran day is about. >> all right. also, another story that we're looking at, the military, they have their new troop armored trucks that are reducing troop deaths. the other story last week, the military is due back. >> what? >> coming up next. inside one of the most matched senate races in the nation with florida senate candidate congressman kendrick meeks. "morning joe" brewed by starbucks will be right back. [ manager ] you know... i've been looking at the numbers, and i think our campus is spending too much money on printing. i'd like to put you in charge of cutting costs. calm down. i know that it is not your job. what i'm saying...
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i'm kendrick meeks, the democrat for senate, and with three of us running you should know what makes me different. i'm the only one who's fought against developers in the everglades. only one against offshore oil drilling before and after the bp oil spill. the only one against privatizing social security. the only one who's pro-choice. who took on george bush. who fought for middle class tax carts, anti-credit card fees and to raise the minimum wage. i'm kendrick meek and i'm the only one who can approve this message. >> nice, positive ad. florida representative kendrick meek in his first campaign ad since winning the democratic nomination for senate in congress. meek joins us now. it's good to have you on the set. >> glad to be here. >> welcome to the show. >> how are things going? >> well, they're going. we just kicked off labor day, yesterday, and we were in orlando yesterday campaigning on it. >> you pulled off -- let's talk
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the big news first, pulled off what some would consider a big upset beating millionaire -- >> billionaire. >> that was supposed to bury you in money. >> yeah. >> what happened? >> some folks counted us out by floridians counted us in. we've worked hard. we've been working very hard. we qualified by petition. january of last year we started. we have really built a grassroots machine in florida. and we feel that machine will kick in. >> so the bad news is obviously the general election polls, you're behind one republican, and one former republican. how do you gain ground? >> gain ground by being consistent. that ad talks about the differences between mae and my other two opponents. you have to remember, mark rubio and charlie crist, they worked together in tallahassee and the governor instilled the ceo of the state of florida. he has to take some responsibility for the economic situation right now. so does marco rubio. but it talks about the differences. i'm the only pro-choice candidate in the race.
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i'm the only candidate that stood for middle-class tax cuts, fought for those tax cuts and also i'm the only candidacy that was against offshore oil drilling before and after the spills. that means a lot to floridians. also on the economy. >> how many takes did it take to do that commercial? you've been driving around all day? >> it took a couple of days. >> how do you break through in terms of name recognition? against these two candidates? because you're in third place. >> yeah. >> i mean, right? so you've had some really good news lately, but at the same time it's a tough road ahead. >> i've always said i'm the david in this race. i said it in the primary. and that we know how that story ended between david and goliath. as we line up between three candidates, talking about the issues and answering the same questions it will be abundantly clear to floridians that i am the right choice to move florida forward. we have over 320 locally elected officials supporting my candidacy. a number of working men and working women. so i'm very, very excited about
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it. because it's going to be about the middle-class. it's going to be about job creation. >> mark, i want you to look at these numbers again that we just put up. that have actually marco rubio pulling ahead of mika's favorite charlie crist. >> you like charlie. >> 40 to 32. >> you saw some awfully mean things -- >> well, he needs the truth. >> just stop it. and this is rasmussen. so the question is as you look at these numbers, about the same, where do you think kendrick picks up, let's talk about him like he's not here. >> okay. >> where does he pick up -- does this all come together when you get the three of them lined up in a debate? what happens? >> i think the congressman's path to victory is florida still has more democrats than republicans. and there are two guys in the race who are historically republican. and if they divide the republican vote, we were talking before, the congressman thinks the ceiling of the vote is 40%. >> right. >> i think if he gets 40% he's the next senator from into. >> now let's talk about him like he's here. do you have a question? >> i do. >> congressman, you know full
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well you have support from prek and the formal support from your party. you know full well there are people in the white house and on capitol hill who say the only way we keep -- we get this seat for the democrats is if charlie crist wins. and if he caucuses with the democrats. how do you confront people when you're in private with them to say you've got to be for me and not for the crypto democrat, charlie crist? >> well, here's the deal. the governor's all over the board with his commitments. you can't trust his word. he was the chair of the republican party at the top of this year. so that goes to show you where he is as it relates to his positions. people are going to start to come home as it relates to voting for me and standing with me, because they know where i'm going to stand once i get to washington, d.c., as a united states senator. it's also important to know that the governor and marco rubio are both conservative republicans. and i think people are looking for someone who is going to roll up their sleeves and fight for them. i am the fighter for the middle class.
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when it was time to raise the minimum wage in florida through the constitutional amendment, the governor and marco rubio was on the other side. when it was time to stand up against tax cuts for companies that ship jobs overseas, marco and the governor are on the same side. so when you look at the facts versus fiction, people are going to start to pay attention to it. again, when the three of us line up, it's going to make a world of difference because people say oh, wow, who can i believe in this argument? the governor has flipped and flopped and he's given a whole meaning to flip-flopping. marco rubio is far right of where floridians need a united states senator to be. and i think that's where it's going to help my candidacy. there's no other choice here. >> mike? >> so, you're the democrat. barack obama, in your race, help or hindrance? >> well, the president wants to come to florida, he's welcome to come to florida. i think it's a good thing when you can show a relationship -- >> wait, wait. >> will you hang out with him because russ feingold had him in
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wisconsin and was too busy to see the president. if you and the president were in the same building would you go up and say hi to him, because russ didn't? >> oh, i would, absolutely. the president and i had a stop after his last visit to florida to pick up a sandwich. i think that it's important, with me being the next senator from the state of florida, to have a working relationship with the president. i think that's important. >> you have a fund-raiser with bill clinton? >> absolutely. >> tonight? >> tonight. and president clinton has been very good as it relates to helping my candidate. we're finds, and he's going to play a role in the florida election. >> bill clinton, a good friend to have in 2010. i want to, before we leave, i want to commend you this weekend, said some really nice things about marco, who lost his father, this weekend. a lot of nice things about marco and what his father meant to him. why don't you, for viewers that
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don't know about what happened, why don't you -- >> well, marco rubio's father passed away of cancer, and long battle, and i've been talking to marco off and on. i lost my father some years ago, and i also have been a part of my uncle's home going. and i talked to him about it, told him that my family and i were praying for him, and it's very difficult time, and that everyone should be in prayer. i ask my supporters to do the same. and, you know, i believe that the funeral will be on wednesday. and so i ask all americans to do the same. because that's the human element of this. we may disagree on the issues. >> right. but you and marco like each other. >> well, i mean, we disagree on the issues. >> sure. >> strongly. but i can say that we have served together, and there's a human element to this. >> yeah. >> and when that -- when that point comes it must come out. and that's the reason why it was charitable as it relates to talking about this life with his father. >> really quickly, i know we've
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got to go, but mark, i am just wondering, we've seen a lot of democrats lose a lot of support over the past week or two in kentucky, up in ohio. is charlie -- charlie's collapse a part of that? i mean i know he's not a democrat, but charlie has been leading throughout the summer, and now he's down eight -- >> he lost his high profile on the bp issue which i think sustained him for a lot of the summer and he's being attacked by both the congressman and marco rubio, the thing the insiders have talked about for a long time, charlie crist is a big flip-flopper. now he's getting double barreled on it. >> and the congressman gets a lot of the votes from charlie. so it's going to be a rough fall. you're right, charlie's going to get it from both sides. >> he needs a second act or he'll lose. >> congressman meek, thank you very much. coming up "the new york times." andrew ross sorkin will be here. and when we come back, why the times are not a-changing when it
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that was bob dylan's legendary "like a rolling stone"
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that topped "rolling stone's" top 500 songs of all time. with us now, historian and residence of bobdylan.com, shawn wilentz author of "bob dylan in america." welcome to the show. >> you have a history with mr. dylan. your family -- this is -- i mean, it is straight out of -- >> forrest gump. >> forrest gump. your family owns a record shop -- >> bookstore. >> a bookstore in greenwich village. >> it was a beat generation bookstore. it was started in 1947. it was the center for that explosion. not just of poetry and drama but of fiction, literature generally after the war. that was the downtown spot. >> right. >> so i grew up in the center of that whole world of, you know,
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the beat poets and then down the street was where the folk revival was taking place where bob dylan got his start. >> try all these years later to put bob dylan in context culturally. we talk about the beatles a lot on this set. >> right. >> put bob dylan in context for us in 2010. how did he change the world? >> he is the most important american song writer of the late 20th century anyway. he did more to change the character of american song, lyrically, musically, et cetera, than anybody else. in doing so, he drew upon currents in american music and culture and poetry. he brought them together as no songwriter before managed to do. if he is not the most cultural figure of his time, one of. >> did you burn your bob dylan records in '65? >> no. it is hard to be a rebel because
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my dad gave me my first copy of "blond on blond" saying listen to this. >> what a great first album. >> i get to be a princeton professor. >> did he hand you a joint with the album? >> no, no, no. he was very anti-drugs. i love my father dearly. god bless him. >> it's interesting what you said. you track music and lyrics and it is all about love. until dylan really arrives. you get blowing in the wind and the sweep of the lyric involves the culture of the '60s into the '70s. up until today. >> yeah. well, it's interesting with dylan's work, though, because he works at so many different levels. the songs probably the most famous for like "blowing in the wind" are all about the world in general, politics, social trends. but, you know, the song "like a rolling stone" is about love and he has very gentle songs about love and ballads about love.
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he doesn't undo that connection. rather, he enriches it, makes it deeper. when he writes about love it is not june moon spoon but what it is to be in love and the disappointments. >> do you have a favorite dylan album? >> "blond on blond" is probably that it. that chunk of bringing it all back home, highway 61 revisited, that's a year and a half of work was extraordinary. >> i mean, "highway" -- you hear stories of "highway 61 revisited" and "blond on blond" compressed in a year and a half. the band, backup band at the time said they would be playing cards and going -- i wrote another song. go and play the song. record it! and then go back and play cards again. 30 minutes. i wrote another song.
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they were -- >> amazing. >> isn't it? >> if "blond on blond" sessions, there's a section in the book of nashville and new york and one of the band guys was there, robby robinson but he would hone the lyrics very carefully and rent the studio. they couldn't believe it. they were playing pool and cards and drinking coke and he would be working on the lyrics and at 4:00 in the morning we're ready and playing that the 4:00 in the morning. great musicians but, hey, you know, it's 4:00 in the morning and he would do it in two takes. >> yeah. >> 11-minute song, bang, he is a pro. people some understand about bob dylan is he is a consummate professional. for all of his, you know, shambli character, he knows what
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what is true on this is obama has had no vision. he has not articulated a philosophy. what is his philosophy of government? he sounds like a liberal and then says the conservatives have some points, too.
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he concedes the message. there's never been anything like reagan did. we're following a different track. change things. you need to support us in this. >> there's a real i think argument for the case that obama completely over read the mandate. he was elected to get rid of one man's job, george bush, and get the rest of us and by starting with health care and not making it a year of innovation, not expanding the economy and jobs, you know, i think looking back that was a political mistake. >> welcome back. so good to have you with us on "morning joe." we have mike barnicle, of course, with us. msnbc an "time" magazine senior editor mark halperin and andrew ross sorkin, author of "too big to fail" and out in paperback. >> fabulous. >> thank you. >> thank you, andrew. >> thank you. >> dead serious. if you want to understand the 2008 campaign, read "game
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change." to understand what happened on september 15th, 2008, dead serious. >> see you on the school bus. >> okay. very good. this is the first day of school, of course. >> you know? they're always giving -- >> 12th grade. >> a hard time. they're always giving me a hard time about -- >> trade in your ipad for a trapper keeper for this semester. the jokes will continue, won't they? >> could be worse. >> did you have a good labor day weekend? >> wonderful weekend. classic new england weather. beautiful. >> it was great. >> very classic. >> our family was -- we were the griswolds and took a vacation around new england. maine, absolutely gorgeous up there. >> love maine. >> boston. we were in boston, saw the red sox. most painful, one of the most painful losses of the year but boston, it is just an amazing town. i think it's pulled right behind new york as my favorite big city. >> i heard you left a big
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footprint at mcgreeveys. >> oh, i did! there's some bc students. we got into town. mcgreeveys is a great sports pub on boilston, the back bay. they were a group of bc students there talking trash about alabama. we were watching the tide. >> oh. >> i was watching the sox and the tide. >> that started it. >> did you write anything on the bathroom wall? >> no. we had a few drinks as alabama was rolling up the score. it was all very exciting. they toasted you and i think the last two were for tim. >> oh. >> obviously huge tim russert fans there. so anyway, also, we bump in with paul krugman and tom friedman going after barack obama. this morning in "washington post," cohen also -- >> yeah. >> you've highlighted a portion of richard cohen.
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>> this is something we talked about off the air and i haven't felt comfortable talking about it on the air. it makes me cringe. in last week's prime tie address to the nation, the president sat behind a massive empty desk looking somehower than he ever has. reduced by a lousy economy and the prospect his party might lose control of congress. behold something we never thought we'd see in obama. the incredible shrinking presidency. the thing that make med uncomfortable and we talked about before is the visual of the oval office address which i don't know if it's fair game but it's a reality. >> richard cohen talked about it. you said it before his first prime time address. you said i hope -- mike, she called me. i hope for his sake he doesn't sit behind the desk. it will swallow him up. the theatrics have to be better. of course -- >> physically looks smaller? >> physically, physically he
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does. this is -- this is one of the things, by the way, that everybody talks about. >> really careful. it is important. >> off the camera. sounds so shallow. >> yeah. >> it's something that cohen wrote about this morning but it is the thing, mike, this white house stubbornly refuses to accept. in politics, when you're president, theatrics plays a big part in getting your message out to 300 million people. >> communicating. >> it is. but let's talk about the bigger issue. it is a shrinking presidency right now. >> we are just talking about it off air. part of it, the cosmetics of it is a reality to deal with. you can sound petty and shallow talking about that around this table but people recognize it when they see it on tv. >> or a sub conscious thing. >> the substantive part of it is at least in my mind this is a sort of sad story. i realize 46% popularity right now pretty good considering what's around him. considering what he's had to
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deal with. no doubt about that. there was so much hope and optimism amongst so many first-time voters and younger voters two years ago in voting for him, i don't know how you get them back into the system. a lot of them saying this is just same old, same old. >> most dangerous thing for a president and presidential candidate is to lose control of the public image. he lost control of the public image. >> this has been -- talk about the summer, though. a disastrous summer for them. didn't have to be. you look at august. consumed by him stumbling into the ground zero islamic cultural center controversy. he didn't have to stumble into that. he could have been steadfast. you can go -- listen. again, it's image but michelle obama's trip overseas, it was criticized. the president's vacations while unemployment's as high as it is and i have said i want the president of the united states and his family to be in a good place.
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i want them to vacation. bush did. reagan did. everybody did. that being said, when the country's floundering, when the white house is floundering, you sit back and say, how -- you know, andrew's writing right now his first essay for senior year what he did over my summer vacation, the president's summer was just not a good one at all politically. >> it wasn't. >> because of image. >> i hate to fall back on the biggest cliche possible but you all showed david letterman taking a shot at the president and that's unusual. when comics feel no restraint and going after him. and, you know, this is a snapshot of where we are now. he has two months to take it back but right now i don't see how they're going to take it back. the policy proposals i don't think will do it. >> i want to make one comment. you can talk about the image and bp, the mosque, vacations. all of those things. all of those. bp was horrible. at the end of the day, to me it is not the image but the wallet.
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it is the economy. that's what everybody's upset about. i know i'm the business guy here but i think that more than anything else that is the cloud that's hanging over all of this and the image and looking small at the desk wouldn't exist if it weren't for the problems that most americans feel every single day and because they feel it in their wallet. i truly believe that. >> he's a kid but he's right. >> i know. brought this book. >> giving people more of a sense that he has an idea of how to turn it around. >> that's clear. policy on the economy to me is truly the number one issue and that's the cloud that's -- >> it ee's imbuing people with sense he's got a plan. >> it is economics. it is psychological. >> yeah. >> when you have a president that inspires confidence, sometimes that gets money off the sidelines and into -- so, andrew is right. that when the economy turns around things get better. >> but you know what? >> we don't talk about this but
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a lot of this image feeds in to the lack of confidence a lot of people have. >> air of confidence and a sort of, you know, i'm doing what i think is best, chris christie, for example, to me sells better in this day and age. i have to say. it matters to sell it. it does. we have learned that. >> he tried to sell it. we have news and stories he is trying to sell. >> i want to ask andrew about this plan. the midterm elections obviously fast approaching and president obama is rolling out new niche gives to boost the economy. tomorrow in cleveland, the president will propose a perm nept extension of tax credits for business owners that invest in research and development. also on the table, a plan to allow companies to write off 100% of their investments in new plants and commitment throughout the end of next year. >> that sounds good. >> yesterday in milwaukee, the president announced a propoem to invest in new roads and railways. the $50 billion initiative would create government-run bank to finance transportation projects.
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the white house says it would create jobs by improving and expanding 150,000 miles of the nation's roads, 4,000 miles of railways and 150 miles of airport runways. >> andrew, is this good news? >> pick this apart. it is good news but the most important is research tax credit to make it permanent and effectively means that companies can go out and really try to do r&d and we talk about -- >> help me out. so permanently, you get this tax break. >> this is for r&d and an issue -- >> that's great, right. >> companies haven't known what's going to happen the next year. what will happen next year? this is very important. talk about real manufacturing in this country. >> they can count on it. >> that's important. number one. >> that is. >> number two, if you're in tech-land, selling computers, things like that, this tax credit to get over the next year if you're buying lots of servers, if you want to -- i haven't looked at the stock market yet but i imagine tech
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companies do very well today. talking about jobs on the ground, it's the infrastructure project that matters the most because they're not shovel ready but over the long term -- all good. are they good enough? and are they soon enough? meaning, will all of this really make the impact it needs to make? >> let's forget, though, i know it's very hard because of the culture we live in and this is what the show does for three hours but forget the politics and talk about the economics. how does the republican party not support permanent tax relief for r&d? that's a drain. that's how we grow the pie. that's what we want. >> i agree with you. and i think that's the -- >> support this. >> that's the political calculus of the democrats not going after the republicans and trying to bring the business community into the fold with the plan to say we're pro-business. trying to help. >> how does the republican party vote no on this second proposal we talked about which will
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actually allow businesses to write off the buying of equipment over the next couple of years? >> i don't know they can say no to that but probably to infrastructure and probably ways -- you're -- >> what are you talking about? i'm not endorsing it but telling you the reality of where we are. "wall street journal"/abc poll, emboldening republicans. the weakness of the democratic party. democrats furious and frustrated. the white house says this shows how cynical they are and blocking progress. this is stuff they should be for on the merits but the reality of where we are. they're strong enough, feeling their oats. opposed to all of this and block it and never pass. >> my god. >> if this white house is disciplined, if they show a disciplined communication strategy between now and the election, they should come out with a pro business tax cut
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every single day. every day. on r&d. everybody -- i think paul krugman support that. >> it's a slam dunk. should be. >> should be. >> name me one of the tax cuts every day and tell you what, if republicans say no to all of that, then all of october, i'm running. the republicans vetoed tax cuts for r&d. republicans vetoed tax cuts for new equipment purchases. republican -- republicans voted no. voted no. voted no. voted no. voted no. that would actually win over independent voters. i got -- saying it here for a year and a half. independent voters don't like the health care plan. i know the professional left wants them to trump -- no. that's a loser politically! just talking politically. cap and trade. a loser politically when it's about jobs. mike, if they have discipline, they will have a pro business tax cut every for research and development, grows jobs for the
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working class and make republicans vote no and then kill them in october. >> it begs the question though if these ideas are so great and hopefully they are so great, why did they wait until now to do it? why not package this whole thing, this whole pro business plan trotting out piecemeal on memorial day? >> none of them are business people. valerie worked in the private sector. they didn't understand what creates jobs. >> i agree with you but they also apparently don't understand the country. you get a paycheck. you get a paycheck. you get a paycheck out there or an unemployment check out there. it doesn't say republican or democrat on it. >> right. >> it's your paycheck. >> is that a good enough argument? is that the arguments the republicans make? i'm trying to understand -- what's the -- what will we hear? what's the rhetoric from the republicans when they say, no? >> too little, too late. not enough. flawed. >> andrew -- >> deficit.
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>> but again, at the same time, though, just talking sin cli here. this is not going to help economically before the election but talking politically right now. i want if i'm a democrat the republicans to vote no on the most pro business programs possible so i can run a 30-second commercial saying if i'm in indiana, you know what? republicans voted no on research and development for such and such. republican -- >> are the democrats credible messenger on that? again, just cynically, realistically, is that an ad where the voters go democrats are pro business? >> i'm telling you, it's much better, much better to have them talking about that than an unpopular health care reform bill. >> that's true. >> cap and trade. let me tell you something. their opponent -- their opposing party has -- remember this.
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a 26% approval rating. you can define them any way -- when somebody's sitting at 26%, i can draw horns on them the last two weeks of the campaign because that's what americans focus. and again, you just -- you've just -- i thought it was this way. i'm going to stop on what i did -- it was wonderful. but anyway, andrew, if you have the pro business -- these pro business policies that republicans vote no on, you frame them that way the last month of the campaign. >> i wouldn't disagree with you. my question is whether they can frame them that way. if the numbers don't stack up in this period, it won't matter. mark's right on that point. >> it was one of the obama's signature issue and democrats avoiding it like the plague. why health care reform is a phrase you will not hear from democrats on the campaign trail. and a little later, pulitzer prize winning writer takes us inside al qaeda. ♪ [ upbeat instrumental ]
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live shot of the white house. the sun up over washington, d.c. this morning. beautiful shot. time to look at the morning papers. we'll start with "the washington examiner." the d.c. newspaper endorses mayor fenty there's a disconnect of what he's done and perceived. >> conservative paper.
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i don't know why he's in so much trouble in d.c. >> mayor of georgetown. >> "usa today." u.s. military's new armored vehicles reduced deaths in roadside attacks when bombings hitting record levels. >> "san francisco chronicle" a month after leaving his job former hewlett-packard ceo joined oracle as their co-president. >> tight wisconsin race reflects trouble for democrats. some accustomed to winning with ease including senator feingold. unexpectedly in trouble. >> "the new york times" democrats trying to stop a group of homeless people from running from office in arizona. saying it's a dirty political trick. they recruited them, one of them
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lists the campaign office as a local starbucks. freely admits they pull support from democrats and insists a political movement is under way. brewed by starbucks. oh lord. okay. >> you know, you know when i read that story, i was very disappointed. >> why? >> i thought about that. >> oh, you see! >> run a green candidate in every race, takes 2 3rs, 3%, 4% of the democratic vote. >> silly. >> this guy -- >> hp, when's the deal? >> a relationship with a reality person or something -- >> reality television star. the issue is -- >> goes over to oracle. >> resigns. there was -- there was a view that he was going to be potentially unemployable. >> right. >> at a publicly traded company. private companies might take him. larry ellison is a very good friend, founder of oracle. a rebel. >> huge, yeah. >> screw it. screw the pc mentality of the
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way people think in this world. >> what did hedo? >> he is so good. he'll be the president of our company. >> co-president. >> what was the deal breaker for the others? what did hedo? >> potentially a sexual harassment charge made by a woman that worked for hp. she was a former adult -- adult actress who was working in marketing and she had made some kind of charge. he had hired a -- what's that famous lawyer -- >> gloria allred. >> got involved and -- within of those crazy stories. by the way, the company, hp, did their own investigation and said there was no sexual harassment and he didn't do it but so worried about the charges and the publicity they said, hosta. >> what does that say about the hp board? >> hp stock got killed literally i think off 14%, 15%.
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shareholders said you should have stood by him. he didn't do the stuff. the board is taking it on the chin and probably today even more because guess who is a big competitor of hp's? oracle. >> like you said, he's a rebel. oracle is a massive company. >> massive company. >> he is not afraid to take chances. >> he doesn't care. >> picked a guy who businesswise at least -- >> absolutely. >> winner. >> businesswise is a winner. by the way, though, in fairness, famous and known for cutting costs and what does that mean? not so many jobs and not necessarily a great innovator. that's one of the knocks on herd is he made hp very, very profitable an talk about r&d. he cut that like crazy. >> all right. go to politico. with us now is executive editor for politico jim van dehei with the morning playbook. how many republicans using health care reform as a slogan?
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health care! health care! all about us. sandwich boards. >> we have changed the industry. >> are you kidding? >> none. not a single -- >> i'm sorry? >> can't find a -- >> hold on, hold on. chris! chris! >> sandwich board. >> hold on. i can't hear. >> yes, sir? >> sorry. i think we have -- static. okay. ask again, jim. i didn't hear. this is historic. democrats trying for generations. this changed everything. >> he kept to his goal. >> say it again. how many democrats are using health care reform -- >> sure i have the numbers here. >> this could be big. >> not any house or senate incumbent democrats in these races that are running ads touting support for the bill. there are democrats running against the bill. >> against -- wait. hold on. >> wait a second. >> did he say democrats running against the bill? >> mark, can you take this? >> it's broken. >> i need this fixed. >> take it off. >> it is not working.
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>> go ahead. it's a joke. go back. >> do you think that will change? do you think that there's a prospect in that last two months any democrats will start to advertise on health care? >> we have learned this morning that the group called the health information center which sounds harmless enough and which sounds like a nonpartisan player and funded by democrats spends $2 million on ads starting this week and the idea is they want to bring up those numbers for health care. health care just like the numbers for democrats dropping as far as support for it. this wasn't an insfaptignifican event. most significant since 1960s and not talking about it. >> the thing is, mike barnicle, once they passed the bill, the numbers will go up. right? once they pass this bill, that's all we need to do, pass it and the numbers will go up. >> unpopular to very, very popular. >> can you imagine once -- you're out there. your average voter.
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listening to your member of congress, democrat a year ago saying we need health care. waited 30, 40 years. you pass health care. the guys told you, the woman's told you. it's going to be tremendous and then a person running for reelection. we should have concentrated on cost containment. we didn't. it was a mistake. should have focused on cost containment. no wonder people don't want to vote. >> they were such an echo chamber. >> thank you. ♪
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back to "morning joe." a beautiful, beautiful shot of a crowded, crowded street. nice to be back in new york. the day after labor day. people going back to work. andrew ross sorkin here with us author of "too big to fail." you have to get it. >> thank you, sir. >> great book. mark halperin here with "game change" up to 700,000, 800,000 copies. >> he doesn't watch it. >> mike barnicle here bruised and battered after a terrible weekend of baseball. road sox, it is over. >> yeah, it is. >> ah. >> salute the sox. >> solute larry. >> yesterday. >> no doubt about it. happy birthday. and everybody's happy all around except for viewers --
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>>some. >> upset at you, mika. >> what? >> david in west virginia, i'm a very loyal "morning joe" fan. >> sounds good. >> our puppies are named joe and mika. >> wow. scary. >> in fact, it is called "morning joe." not morning mika. if she continues the try to dominate the topic with the get skinny platform i will be forced to change to another channel. >> let me talk once in a while. >> it is called "morning joe" so i apologize. >> about the two dogs -- >> yeah. >> quiet. >> is mika the female? >> yaps all the time. >> oh my gosh. yes, one of those yap pi dougs. >> muzzle him. >> like that. >> don't -- >> just -- >> let's get to wall street and let's go to international superstar erin burnett. >> good morning. >> always chooses the precise, precise number of words that one needs to choose to get us -- the point across unlike me. >> i was thinking about the genders of the dogs.
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joe, you do a lot of talking so maybe -- >> some say yapping. >> maybe you are the girl dog. i don't know. >> very nice of -- >> female dog. >> you call that -- >> mika, that was a dig at joe, not at you. >> i know. >> so erin, what are you looking at today on wall street? >> all right. a weak open. joe, we had a fantastic week last week. it was a much stronger week leading into labor day than normal and now nervousness and september historically weakness month of the year but only on average and average 1%. don't get too nervous but a weak day today. i wanted to say, joe, there was an interesting study out this morning and, mika, this came from the united nations. very interesting. trade and development results. this is just where big companies around the world are investing and how they feel about investing. >> yeah. >> so here's the good news, guys. good news is they're much more optimistic than they were even a year ago. i flagged a bunch of pages here.
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sorry i'm looking down. 62% optimistic for 2012 compared to 13% for this year and making investments over the longer term. there's the good news. here's the only concern. the concern is where they're actually investing and for the first time one of the top two economies where they're putting their money, investing in plant, capital, whatever it might be is not the united states. the top three destinations are china, brazil and india and then the u.s. >> really? >> from number two to four which, you know, sort of fits where you see the demographic trends and growth but it's an interesting landmark, nonetheless. >> that's not happened before, has it? >> no, no. that's an interesting point. going on that front, leads us to the infrastructure point. president won more with the stimulus. now he is doing this little dribble drabble and not enough. we need to be competitive with china putting tons of money in every day. going to do it -- >> interesting point.
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dr. brzezinski went to china, what, about a month ago and said when he came back, he landed in washington. and going from china to washington -- >> oh. >> it was like he said going from the 21st krencentury to 19. he said it was stunning landing in washington seeing the difference between what china's doing infrastructurewise and america. >> it's true. you bring up the airports. they're a crucial part of this. you notice that in the united states. they're old. they don't look fresh and not just china. there's places in the world with a much better face to potential investors, tourists, immigrants than we do right now. >> i'm concerned about jfk and refurbishing it a bit at a time but, no. that's the -- a lot of the world, that's the first look at the united states of america. >> that's right. >> a frightening thing. >> it looks about the same when the beatles landed there in february of 1964.
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the people that led the change of parties in the south just as i mentioned earlier was my generation. >> right. >> my generation who went to integrated schools or i went to integrated college. never thought twice about it. and it was the old democrats who had fought for segregation so hard. the people who really changed the south from democrat to
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republican was a different generation from those who fought integration. >> there's no doubt. there's no doubt about that. remember, we had a good friend of ours on the show and asked him to name one republican, national republican that fought integration in the 1960s he couldn't. >> i remember that. >> it was all democrat. al also, it was a guy that went to kindergarten at an integrated school but it's a new south and a guy that's not a big haly barbour fan. >> no. we listened to him. and his generation's role in the civil rights movement. it's a perspective that our next guest calls a fairytale. in an op-ed out this morning. here with us now "the washington post" assistant editor and msnbc political analyst eugene rob
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robinson, you say he is rewriting history. >> he is. johnson passed the civil rights act in 1964 saying the democrats would lose the south for a generation. he was being modest. that -- before that, the south had been solidly democratic and, yes, the old democrats or dixie-crats were the segregationists who had fought tooth and nail against integration. their constituents felt betrayed by the national democratic party and one of the votes against the civil rights act in 1964 came from barry goldwater in the presidential race that november. lyndon johnson won in a huge landslide. goldwater won home state of arizona and louisiana,
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mississippi, alabama, georgia and south carolina. >> i tell you, a lot of democrats voting against their own candidate. 1964. >> exactly. states that had not voted for a republican for president since reconstruction. georgia hadn't voted for republican ever. >> so sad as democrats. >> my quarrel with governor barbour is when he says that he's certainly implies and basically comes out and says the fight over immigration, that was all done and we made the switch to the republican party. no. that was the whole point. that was what made people leave -- made southern whites leave the democratic party to vote for barry goldwater and to switch over as strom thurman had done and other did. >> but you can't pin that on haley barbour, can you? >> no. it is not his fault. i'm saying the version of
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history he gave was wrong. i'm not blaming him personally for anything he did. >> he was probably drinking a lot of beer back then. >> that's what i heard about ole miss. i'm not sure. >> ah. >> he didn't go to -- if he said he went to integrated schools, well, you know, mississippi schools primary and secondary schools didn't integrate in his time. he went to all-white schools. when he got to ole miss, near as i can tell there might have been by then mid-'60s like 30 black students. >> i don't think primary and secondary schools integrated when haley was there because i know like i said i think i was in mississippi public schools the first year they integrated and that was 1969. i think he was probably in college by then. mark? >> gene, these are complicated issues i don't want to conflate any of them but just to be clear, i was with governor barbour last week and didn't say as some on the left didn't say
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in the interview he went to an integrated schools before college. what he said is he went to an integrated university. some on the left suggested he was saying he went to integrated schools and he didn't. his high school was segregated as well as before that. on the issue of his version of history, as joe said, he's certainly not personally responsible and the case that democrats played as big or bigger a role during the period we're talking about in fighting integration as republicans. >> they played the role. the lead role. >> here's what he's personal responsible for is what he says. he's major political figure. might well run for president and gives a telling of history that's certainly doesn't comport with my recollection nor of that of the history books. it is not the way it happened and the purpose of what he says is to imply or suggest that
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62-year-old white southerner from yazoo city, mississippi, that that cohort is part of the new generation for whom segregation was essentially a dead issue when we had already moved forward by the mid-'60s. that's not true. they moved forward now. the south is very different now and i'm the first to acknowledge that and to celebrate the changes that have taken place but let's not rewrite the history books. >> you say that as a son of the south that understands it better than any of us around the table. pull back for a second here. haley's attacked from the professional left. gene, you're not the professional left. you are just a down the middle good old guy. is he a much bigger focus because people are starting to say, hey, this guy may be the republican nominee in 2012? >> i think he does become a bigger focus because he's a very
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good politician. i mean, i've always had a lot of respect and regard and a certain amount of admiration for him as a politician. i don't agree with him on a lot of issues but i think he's very good at what he does and he's clearly thinking about making a run. and so, when you make those kind of noises you come under new scrutiny. and so people, people are going to pick apart your words. >> all right. thank you. >> we love having you with us.
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the kurdish general sit a citadel with the labor of captured christian crusaders. 900 years later it was in the very same cells of radical thoughts of al qaeda were born. this is the cell where sayad says he was held and next to ayman sawahi's. the key to his thinking is that it was a great debating society. >> a scene from "my trip to al qaeda." based on a one-man performance piece to understand al qaeda. he's with us now. this is thrilling for me. >> thank you. >> it really is. >> mika will tell you, i pass
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this book out to everybody. "the looming tower." single most important book i have read over the last decade. how depressing a decade later what you were writing about in the '90s is just as true. >> it's still -- >> understanding 2010. >> yeah. it's depressing to me. i thought this would have rolled back into history by now but that hasn't happened. we're dealing with the same issues we were surprised we on 9/11. >> and you were showing the prison cells. one of the things you highlight here, al qaeda was born in the egyptian prison cells where people that plotted against sadat were tortured. >> right. the number two in al qaeda, the doctor that's always at bin laden's side, he was a surgeon and he was picked up after the sadat assassination and spent three years in the prisons being tortured and he had already a terror group he started when he was 15 years old to overthrow
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the egyptian government. and before he went into prison, like many of these guys, he was really not blood thirsty but when he came out of those prisons, he had a ap tut for blood and revenge. >> you said friends with him afterwards -- >> yeah. >> looked in his eyes and there was nothing there. there was a hardness there. >> he was a -- in those prisons, you know, it was a debating society. they talked themselves into this universal revolution and when they spilled out of the prisons and went into pakistan, they were picking off these young arabs, especially egyptians coming to fight in the jihad. he didn't have any interest in the jihad in afghanistan. he wanted to take them back to egypt. >> now, let me ask you this. you go away after reading the book with the feeling that osama bin laden was a tool of the egyptians. when you have a young pseusudan
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stable boy saying osama bin laden was all right but not a brilliant guy, was he a tool? >> it works both ways. bin laden had a mystique. not charisma exactly but he was a figure of great interest to these young jihadis. he was wealthy. he was from saudi arabia which has kind of a land, that's sort of hard to explain in the muslim world and a distinguished family. all those things made him stand out in the context. he arrived and had a terrorist organization and they captured this rich, young saudi and surrounded him with his chief of staff, with his chief of military and all this. all of the egyptians and from the very beginning al qaeda was an egyptian organization with a saudi head on it. >> mike? >> mike barnicle? >> saturday, ninth anniversary of 9/11. >> yeah. >> the feeling is that the
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united states overreacted to september 11th and that al qaeda is rather ac toothless, nonthret today and we continue to overreact. what do you think? >> well, i don't really agree with that. i think we made terrible mistakes after 9/11. primarily went into afghanistan and didn't get bin laden. and secondly, we went into iraq under mistaken premise and took our eye off the ball so we allowed al qaeda and the taliban to regenerate. those were catastrophic errors. al qaeda is much reduced to what it was before 9/11. al qaeda central, cia tells me maybe 300 people -- egyptian intelligence says maybe 200. that's a smaller organization than it was before. but the idea has propagated. and new affiliates have arisen in different parts of the world and wannabes are springing up who may not be overall as
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dangerous but the numbers -- >> franchise operations. >> is the threat greater then? >> the threat is different. i don't think that al qaeda can now pull off a kind of 9/11 that it did in the past. but numerous little operations, like, for instance, the guy that tried to blow up time square. i think we'll see them succeed in the future. >> thank you. >> "the looming tower, al qaeda and the road to 9/11." >> my trip to al qaeda premiers tonight on hbo 9:00 eastern time. that should be fascinating. >> i will be watching. >> thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> it's a pleasure. >> up next, did we learn anything? >> yeah. [ female announcer ] stay once... stay twice...
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